Perez Hilton got on video for his own blog and showed his true colors.  Then when he was being interviewed on MSNBC he showed his true colors again.  So everyone showed their true colors in this issue.  Perez Hilton definitely did.  Carrie Prejean did.  And both MSNBC and FOX did as well. 

To be fair, it wasnt a great answer.  However she answered the question, and even though I agree with her, it wasnt the best answer she couldve given.  I'm not saying I could've done better, but it was a weak answer at best.

 "To be fair, it wasn't a great answer."  -  M

It might not, as you say, have been complete or even the best answer she could have given at that time.  However, even at that, she has been thrown under the bus by virtually all the organizers of the pageant at the state and national levels, by all her fellow contestants and by a good portion of the loud and obnoxious msm.  In the face of all that she has defended her remarks and refused to water them down or say that she was misunderstood or anything like that.  I do give her props for that.

Hey, no offense to anyone, but how many Rhodes Scholars actually come out of these pageants anyhow?  I suspect she pretty much gave it her best on-the-spur-of-the-moment shot at answering the question and she hasn't backed down in the face of withering criticism.  

M, I think you're judging her far too harshly.  It's not like she experienced a Miss South Carolina moment  from a couple years ago. She answered a curveball question, from an idiot judge, honestly and in a straightforward manner. If only politicians could do the same! Besides this is a beauty contest.  I think Carrie Prejean handled herself well while answering the question and since the contest concluded. I am interested as to how you would have liked her to answer.

Prejean's hair looks much better in the first video than it does in the last.

Again, not saying I could do better.  And yes, we have seen worse by these beauty contestants.  I didnt watch the show.  I havent even watched how the other contestants answers matched up to her answer.  I also have been impressed with how she has handled herself since then and I do give her props for that.  I was merely saying I didnt think it was an "award winning" answer.  But I have nothing to compare that to.

"I'm a Christian and a model.  Models pose for pictures including lingerie and swimsuits."  translation: Christians prefer modesty from others while exercising their own immodesty.

when I look at Prejean's bikini strut, I'm not thinking about marital purity but when she talks, that's what I hear.  I think we're supposed to walk the talk.

"when I look at Prejean's bikini strut, I'm not thinking about marital purity but when she talks, that's what I hear.  I think we're supposed to walk the talk."

I don't think that's the point.  The point is that the question was unfair and unnecessarily divisive. Prejean gave her opinion fairly articulately and was punished for not being PC-enough for Perez Hilton or the other judges.  Hilton then responded by showing his true colors, viciously insulting Prejean for her views and convictions.

Just like baptism.  Can't admit when you're wrong.

Prov 24:12.  Ditto

http://blog.beliefnet.com/windowsanddoors/2009/05/carrie-prejean-queen-esther-an.html

prejean making news again

LGBT is encouraged to stop criticizing Prejean http://www.wireservice.ca/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1285

How timely.

connector confusion

http://www.all-acronyms.com/LGBTQI/Lesbian%2C_Gay%2C_Bisexual%2C_Transgender%2C_Queer%2C_Questioning_and_Intersex/1133172

 

http://www.towleroad.com/2009/06/kathy-griffin-does-larry-king-live-carrie-prejean-should-become-a-nun.html

pretty good article on the prejean/lewis dust up:

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b129551_carrie_prejeans_lawyer_she_was_set_up.html

prejean et al are getting interesting

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whispers/2009/06/22/miss-usa-says-carrie-prejeans-book-plan-violated-contract.html

so's Perez Hilton's life if it wasn't so pathetic:

http://www.seattlepi.com/tvguide/407472_tvgif22.html

very attractive and sort of articulate women

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/02/attractive-articulate-not-incompatible/

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/julyweb-only/126-42.0.html

hey a beauty pageant winner with talent (Virginia [Miss America]) that knows how to communicate probably because she thinks.  Sorry no lingerie.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/state_regional/article/E-MISS06_20090705-221006/278213/

She told the pageant audience that separation of church and state should take precedence over her personal beliefs. She said she believes marriage should be between a man and woman "because of my religious background, but I don't believe we should legislate against gay marriage. One doesn't de-solidify the other."

Bam!

now she might be wrong about this but where's the data?

"marriage between a man and a woman," aka "opposite marriage"

Which one's the beauty?  Which one's the beast?  Not always crystal clear.

http://www.kansascity.com/stargazing/story/1308947.html

imagine a youth group kid googling Carrie Prejean and seeing the images there.  "Hey, Mom.  Look who's talking to our youth group this Sunday.  AWESSSSSOOOOOME! This is a good church."??

And the youth pastor says, "Now, girls, I have a camera in my office.  Let's go take some pictures for your portfolios....'cause thats what models like Carrie doooo....and I have photos to prove it....lots of 'em."

Dude:  Its time for you to follow another story...............just saying.

not till she says something "biblically correct"

Asked about whether Prejean’s presence is a message about where young Republicans in Ventura County stand on the issue of gay marriage, Jimmie Brooks, vice-chairman of VCYR, said they’re not trying to make a statement by issuing the invitation.

“Of course, lots of young Republicans across the state have the same views she has,” Brooks said. “She’s not involved in politics and was just put into the spotlight by the pageant.”

“We just really want to hear more about her and how her faith shapes her life,” White said.

About 100 young Republicans are expected to attend the gathering at the Grand Vista Hotel from Aug. 14-16. Prejean will address the convention at the dinner banquet at 6:30 p.m. Aug. 15, which is open to members of the public who purchase $50 tickets in advance.

Part of the convention will be held at the nearby Ronald Reagan Presidential Library and Museum, where convention participants will have lunch in the Air Force One Pavilion and take tours of the museum.

Membership in Ventura County Young Republicans is open to all registered GOP voters ages 18 to 40.

want to hear more about her and how her faith shapes her life

I doubt much new will be revealed on that count

a real Amurrrrcan beauty queen for a change: http://www.montereyherald.com/local/ci_12866062

AND...another chance for Prejean to be biblical? in Florida, home of con21 and nct next month (a sneak preview of kansas)

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2009/07/miss_california_bruce_jenner_s.php

btw, this gray background color is equally brutal on the default hyperlink colors for deuteronopes and myopes

the author of this article sounds a lot like Thomas Paine's reply to the Quakers in his appendix to Common Sense

http://sfist.com/2009/07/21/anti-gay_miss_california_to_pen_boo.php

"Finally, someone with the gumption to stand up and defend the right to free speech for the side they agree with, and point out that awful “double standard” that always results in those enemies of free speech doing awful, vindictive things like disagreeing with you—or worse, questioning your credentials to be such a visible part of a debate which you have no stake in or relevant aptitude for. Taste the poison pen of Prejean, ye doubting swine! And how brave, too, to come out against our nation’s all-too-common practice of using “crazy Hollywood celebrities” as the bellwethers of public opinion, the evidence of which you can see all around you—from people driving Ed Begley Jr. signature electric cars to the ruins of the pharmaceutical industry, which collapsed as soon as Tom Cruise pointed out that prescription pills are just food pellets for the dead space aliens that live inside your body. Yes, we certainly can’t wait to read this modern-day Common Sense as soon as it begins burning a hole through this itchy wool over our eyes!" real news/views from the fake news experts at the onion; I like Thomas Paine references.  BUT, if Prejean had no stake in or relevant aptitude for faux marriage, why did Hilton ask her.

http://www.daily49er.com/opinion/comedy-stretches-from-kenya-to-moon-1.1776359

probably right; the book won't say anything new, but reading the invert reviews will be fantabulosa

"Fundi-blondi"

Swiss language is awesome: http://www.blick.ch/people/international/entmachtete-beauty-queen-wird-politikerin-124304

Prejean's pageant answer in Swiss:

«Ich bin froh, dass ich in einem Land leben darf, wo jeder selbst entscheiden kann, wie er leben möchte. Ich glaube, dass es eine Ehe nur zwischen Mann und Frau geben sollte. Ich möchte niemanden beleidigen, aber so bin ich erzogen worden.»5L

this link goes to a Swedish article which includes links to articles about the Saudi pageant.  Lots of the ever popular umlauts and rings (kål)

http://blogg.svd.se/ledarbloggen?id=14848

“The book’s going to be amazing,” she said. “Everything in the book is factual. I could never say something that’s not true… Everything that is in the book I can either back it up with e-mails or witnesses. I’m really excited about that. I just can’t wait for that book to come out and for people to see it. I really think their jaws are going to drop.” Carrie P.

y'all 'l pro'ly like this un'

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2009/08/04/joker-when-the-lefts-scared-they-scream-racist/

irt Perez Hilton

"Dethroned Miss California Carrie Prejean, he said, "is more famous now than the actual Miss USA winner!" precisely because he called her a "dumb bitch," although he found the ensuing deluge of angry e-mail from Christian conservatives really annoying."

"Don't let people silence you. Don't let people try and tear you down. Don't let people try and take away your rights. I have the freedom of speech, and I can say whatever I want to say. I'm entitled to my own opinion." CP

Not the most effective way to make this point, but she's not known for her ability to articulate a point.

True, but she is right, she does have freedom of speech. This is a right that the current administration in the White House would like to muffle from time to time.

imho, folks like us will be more effective when we stand up for the free speech rights of others.  The best example in this case would be if she stood up for Perez Hilton's right  to say the things he said about her.  I haven't seen that, but maybe she has.  Her book title says she is still standing, but what is she standing for?  Herself?

Selectively standing for the freedoms we want for ourselves will not advocate for conscience or gain credibility.  Perhaps that's why she only seems to represent her interests (which some coincidentally share).  If she was to stand for all freedoms, she'd give credibility to the Amendment XIV right to equal protection which would undermine her belief in hetero marriage.

Btw, she was given the pageant questions in advance and she knew the judges' orientation.  If she had prepared, she could have knocked it out of the park and stayed true to her conscience without imposing on the consciences of others with a great answer.  She could have been brilliant, but she whiffed.  She said she prayed that she "wouldn't get asked that question."  And while she was answering she had to give a godly answer which isn't quite clear in its meaning without later clarification such as being "biblically correct." The Bible doesn't even say that much about homosexuality but it's clearly agaisnt sexual immorality.  Grace is much more clearly biblically correct.  So, she choked.  She was already more of a Rahab than an Esther based on her past and her bikini strut so the count was 0-2 against her already.  Preparation was the key and still is.  The six "P's": Prior planning prevents **** poor performance.

And the quote above, as you agree most honorable Todd, shows she hasn't learned to articulate the issue beyond the boundaries of her own interests which limits the acceptance of her message to those who already agree with her though there is something to be said for that.  And her unspoken message on immodesty is nowhere near biblically correct.

"Culture consists of ideas. Ideas, like civilizations, can die out. They die when no one is willing to defend them out loud," Gallagher writes.

"The folks who want to keep gays away from marriage are banking on Prejean. Because she's their best hope. Which isn't saying much."

http://www.pridesource.com/article.shtml?article=36490

What does Gallagher (N.O.M.) base the implied gay marriage will be the death of the US?

as expected, Prejean said nothing new in Simi Valley (unless it went unreported)

it's been quiet in this area so I expect something by Prejean to keep herself in the news; she opted out of DWTS but maybe on Trump's Apprentice.  That should be a major challenge for her.

Maybe she'll get into politics next? Heh

perhaps as the wife of an alderman in District 9?

“I don't need to be Miss USA. I'm not going to little ribbon cuttings and things that aren't meaningful to me,” she said.

sour grapes

"I'm sick and tired of being called a bigot." Prejean

bigot: french derivation; a word leveled at the Normans for their intolerance and total refusal to accept other beliefs or creeds (perhaps meaning "by God" which I guess means "by our definition of God")

THe revolt by the anglo saxon barons against norman style rule led to the magna carta based on anglo saxon rules which was abandoned when the Normans took over.  The magna carta led to parlaiment.  Religious intolerance continued depending on the faith of the King after Henry VIII left the Roman Catholic Church and established the Anglican Church which contained reformers and papist believers.

John Witherspoon took pride in the religious freedom of Presbyterian New Jersey which had political leaders from all denominations (Presbyterian, Quaker, Methodist, Baptist).  Ironically, he was also proud that Catholics did not have any leadership positions (probably in memory of the reign of Bloody Queen Mary which was a reign of terror against the Protestants).

Merriam-Webster associates bigot with hypocrite.  But, a hypocrite is someone who is trying to look pious for show.  They are either trying to fool others, themselves or both. Since Prejean eventually rambled into a statement that opposed gay marriage she was viewed as a bigot.  No same sex marriage is incompatible with being open to either same sex or traditional marriage depending on one's beliefs.  So she is technically a bigot and should embrace the idea.  Her failure to honestly assess her contradictory background and pursuits and examine herself makes her very vulnerable to charges of hypocrisy and she should really come clean there, too.

The data does not support the position that gay marriage is harmful to society.  Unless the right can show that it is, they should acknowledge that this country is a plurality and stop trying to impose its beliefs on others.

The tendency of non Christians to charge hypocrisy is a proof that the US is a Christian nation because Jesus is the one that used the terms against the pharisees and the 72 rabbis that translated the Septuagint translated godless as hypocritical hearts.  Hypocrit was borrowed from Greek theater where actors wore masks.  Socrates and Aristotle talked about irony and satire but not exactly in the sense of hypocrisy.  So when non Christians use the term they are holding others to a Christian standard.

but the tendency of christians and non christians alike to be hypocritical and fail to continually examine themselves and allow God into their lives to correct their sinful selves might indicate that we're not all that Christian after all.

this guy's right; his arguments are not being countered:

NOM: 'Is there no justice for marriage?'

• As gays gain marriage equality, do fewer straights marry for some reason that NOM has failed to explain?
• Is Gallagher suggesting that same-sex marriage has some mysterious impact on the rate of procreation by straight couples? How does that work? Is this an active force of will or a passive endeavor?
• Do same-sex married couples have some impact on the way that heterosexual couples raise their children? Do we need to be in immediate proximity to the affected couples or is our collective mind warping capability unlimited?

Carrie Prejean and Kyle Boller (formerly dated Tara Reid).......interesting

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/27/AR2009082704139.html

the tradition argument

I guess the weak point in the tradition argument is that it seems to imply that if gay marriage is legal, we'll stop having kids

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/daivd-schuster-destroys-noms-brian-s-br

this article makes a good point about Brian Brown and NOM not telling the whole story

a paste from National Review below.  Finally something that looks like data.  BUT I think it's difficult to prove the Berry statement "nothing holds."  The data from the two surveys doesn't necessarily rule out other causes or consider that those negatives have been declining in the US where marriage is mostly still traditional.  It doesn't give us the data.  It says "significantly" as if we can't analyze it for ourselves.  And, it doesn't give us the before and after numbers -- only the after numbers.  So Marx is right about marriage?  Is he right about other stuff we condemn?  Early America was growing faster than Europe.  There was ample land and opportunity and the sooner one built his family and put them to work the more to be gained.  Does homosexual marriage mean there will be a significant drop in child bearing?  Homosexuals aren't having kids whether they marry or not.  Becker's (who he?) comments don't have an authoritative sound to them.

From NRO:

What drives the shortsightedness is that far too many in the GOP — from the business crowd to the Washington insiders, from the conservative think tanks to the talking heads on Fox News — have been slow to learn that social conservatism and economic conservatism are joined at the hip. Without the social ideal of marriage between husband and wife, described by Wendell Berry as “the fundamental connection without which nothing holds,” the prospects for limited government, civil society independent of the state, and a robust, free-market economy go out the window.

As we can see from what has happened in Old Europe, state creation of same-sex marriage has seriously undermined marriage as a social institution. Data from the World Values Survey and the International Social Survey Programme show that countries with same-sex marriage demonstrate the lowest levels of support for traditional marriage. Citizens in these countries are significantly less likely than their counterparts in the U.S. and Australia to agree that adults who desire children should wed; they are significantly more likely to approve of cohabitation without marital intentions and to consider divorce to be the best solution to marital problems.

According to NRO contributor Stanley Kurtz, marriage, and especially married parenthood, are disappearing in Denmark, Sweden, and Norway, countries that adopted same-sex marriage between 1989 and 1994. Kurtz says this “culture-shifting event” has pushed rates of unwed childbearing over the top in Scandinavia. Today, births to unwed mothers exceed 55 percent of total births in Sweden and 50 percent in Norway. In Denmark, more than 60 percent of first-born children have unwed parents.

Europe’s dismissal of the social ideal of traditional marriage comes right out of the Marxist playbook. Karl Marx considered matrimony to be as evil as private property, and he called for “the abolition of the family” in a post-capitalist society, with children being raised communally rather than by their married mothers and fathers.

If the Left understands the relation between the family order and the economic order, why don’t Republicans? Even language affirms the connection: The term economy originates from a Greek word, oikos, which means household. Adam Smith noted the interplay between marriage and the market in The Wealth of Nations. Like Alexis de Tocqueville in 1835, the Scottish moral philosopher was impressed with what he saw in America in 1776. He noticed how men and women on this side of the Atlantic were twice as likely to marry — and at younger ages — and had twice as many children as their European counterparts.

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Smith did not consider all living arrangements equal; he predicted that the exalted status of marriage and children in the colonies would pay economic dividends. Despite Britain’s superior wealth at the time, Smith saw North America “advancing with much greater rapidity to the further acquisition of riches.” He even claimed that “the most decisive mark of the prosperity of any country is the increase in the number of its inhabitants,” which he linked to a factor even then considered bourgeois, “a numerous family of children.”

More recently, Gary Becker has explained why natural marriage holds such promise. His Treatise on the Family asserts that the household anchored on the union of husband and wife is the most productive and efficient of all living arrangements — including single, cohabitating, and divorced — largely because of the sexual division of labor that maximizes production in the market and in the home. He further claims that homosexual unions fall short, as “generally they have a less extensive division of labor and less marital-specific capital than heterosexual marriages” and do not produce what really matters, children.

#ad#Mae West used to say, “A man in the home is worth two in the street.” From instilling the rules of cooperation, to modeling the relation between the sexes, to nurturing human and social capital, to helping adults and children think long-term, to solving the universal problem of dependency, marriage does what no other social institution can do. Because it predates society and the state, wedlock actually creates, builds, and renews society. Same-sex marriage — a construct that depends on the state for its very existence — can never duplicate these functions.

Of course, insisting that marriage law should reflect what nature, history, and reason affirm risks offending not so much homosexuals as cultural elites who care little about America. For these reasons, the effort to preserve a social institution that is a critical part of American exceptionalism, including this country’s economic prowess, deserves greater support from the GOP establishment and from Republican business interests. Given how a rejection of the marriage ideal would make the U.S. look like Europe, the stakes could not be higher.
 

as expected, I'm not the only one that sees some inconsistencies

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/Religion/post/2009/09/gods-plans-for-carrie-prejean-seem-like-mixed-signals/1

Thomas Paine would have had a field day

one of the items in prejean's suit is religious discrimination; I doubt she's met criteria for that

http://blog.beliefnet.com/lynnvsekulow/2009/09/miss-california-look-pretty-do.html

this writer says it better than I

C, I kind of disagree with that blog. As many of it's commentators pointed out, the blog suggests she should "look pretty" but say nothing. It doesn't really speak of whether or not the question should have been answered. If you remember, it really wasn't Prejan that brought this up, it was Perez who posed the question to her, requiring her to answer it. She would have been just as happy answering any other question.

Had I been her (that would certainly be odd), I would have said "I don't think that question is appropriate for this event." and would have requested that they ask another one. At least in that respect, it would have made Perez look like he was simply being a jerk.

Random Thought: The coffee is really bad this morning at work.

thanks,Todd. Coffee's awesome here. French Roast.

the article's title is probably misleading but this prejean thing needsto bediscussed

The article writer's final point is:

"But from what I've seen, she decided that preaching on the pageant's dime is a constitutional "right." 
 

From that postion, I must dissent"

I don't think he's referring to her answer

what do we say about that?

but I'm not sure what it is exactly about her religion that she thinks she was discriminated against

Well, I think he is talking about her answer. The pageant's juge (Perez), obviously took it upon himself to ask a very un-politically correct question, and, well... he got an unpolitically correct answer. What did he expect? Perez knew exactly what he was doing. I give her credit for answering how she felt, but I also think that some of the conservatives need to move on to more issues.

I just got my copy of the latest National Review magazine (excellent magazine), and the 2nd letter to the article is from a homosexual Republican (or Conservative for that matter). He makes an excellent point whereby he says we should be focusing on more important issues... maybe that's a bit liberal, but I certainly agree with him.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and right now, I'll take ANYONE who's willing to vote against socialism. I don't care what color, gender, race, creed, whether they like Backstreet Boys, or Commodore 64s... I don't care...  

There are much, MUCH bigger issues right now than this.

Every page that's dedicated to Prejan VS Perez should instead be talking about the insurmountable debt we've aquired in just the past 8 months.

That's a pretty good position to take, Todd.

I just want to clarify of course, that I don't consider homosexuals my enemy by ANY means. (just want to make that really clear). I'm just stating that phrase to make a point about accepting anyone who's willing to reverse the course of socialism.

madonna and CP: http://www.examiner.com/x-1455-Denver-Singles--Spirituality-Examiner~y2009m9d6-Madonna-Carrie-Prejean-and-odd-allusions-to-the-Biblical-Queen-Esther

This doesn't make sense since they helped her with her surgical enhancements in late Feb or March.

Carrie was said to have snapped ties with her state team several weeks before the competition, according one alleged e-mail from Carrie to Miss California co-director Keith Lewis.

It reportedly read: “I WILL NOT BE VERBALLY AND EMOTIONALLY ABUSED ANYMORE BY ANY OF YOU. I HAVE A COMPETITION TO PREPARE FOR. I WILL NO LONGER BE DEALING WITH ANYONE WHO IS GOING TO BRING ME DOWN AT THIS POINT. I WILL ONLY SURROUND MYSELF WITH PEOPLE WHO MAKE ME HAPPY. AND RIGHT NOW, THAT IS NONE OF YOU. I WILL SEE YOU ALL IN APRIL. PLEASE DO NOT CONTACT ME AT ALL FROM THIS POINT FORWARD.”

Lewis said: “Our differences began in January. Carrie became a challenge. She wanted everyone to jump through hoops for her, but she wasn’t willing to cooperate. She is very good at receiving, but not at giving. We were very patient with Carrie, but she wasn’t following … her contract.” (ANI)

this is just me, but some Republicans say things like, we "should instead be talking about the insurmountable debt."  Then he goes tit for tat on political sexual misconduct instead of just saying it should be about debt, or it's wrong period.  And, he can't see the whole body of work (yuk yuk) of the likes of Carrie Prejean which like all of Miss Unireversal is mostly anti family values because she stuttered her way through a vague sort of support for traditional marriage.  Ironically faux marriage is a pro family values stance.  Carrie Prejean's pre Perez conduct is pro sexual misconduct.  Make up your mind.

There is nothing about the interaction with Carrie Prejan and Perez that's at all considered sexual misconduct. Simply because someone is gay, does not make it sexual misconduct. What we consider sexual misconduct is the actual charge of the action which has to do specifically with politicians (neither of which Carrie and Perez are).

Consider something C, politicians are servants of the people, not the other way around. If they are willing to cheat on their wives and their OWN FAMILY, then what do you think they're willing to do to the taxpayer and the people that voted for them? It's for that reason why it's so important to expose these people for who they are, and what they are.

You NEED the right tools, to get the job done right, and fixing our insurmountable debt is not going to be possible with someone who's willing to cheat and lie to ther own family.  

no issue with para one but not sure waht the point is

para two not really germaine to this thread but it iss what keeps us in this do loop; tracking irrelevant misconduct and platitudes that don't match behavior even before they're uttered; for example, I'm not interested in your private life, but fiscal misconduct or malfeasance etc in office now that's a problem

C, I'm glad you brought this up. I'm going to reply to it in the misconduct thread.

"the likes of Carrie Prejean which like all of Miss Unireversal is mostly anti family values because she stuttered her way through a vague sort of support for traditional marriage.  Ironically faux marriage is a pro family values stance.  Carrie Prejean's pre Perez conduct is pro sexual misconduct."

quoting myself.  that's a drag.  But I was making the point, before Perez, Prejean was happily living the double life of lingerie, swimsuit model at a Christian college.  That's what I meant by "she was pro sexual misconduct."

Well, there's certainly nothing Quaker or Mennonite about swimsuit competitions.... but no one said it was a family value oriented program either. I can't honestly say I've actually ever even seen one.

in sum, I'm saying CP is the hypocrite

as for Hilton, I'm guessing he was a bit of a pariah (sp?) in high school and shouldn't be taken too seriously

Selwyn Duke, "Really, the best way to handle overt, unjust discrimination collectively is through scorn and ostracism. As for individually, we might take a lesson from former presidential nominee and Arizona senator, the late Barry Goldwater. After being denied access to a golf club that discriminated against Jews because he had Jewish ancestry through his father, he issued the following classic response: "Well, can I at least play nine holes?" Humor can win you many more converts than anger."

there are those values again:

"Family" Research Council advises that former Miss California, Carrie Prejean, has just confirmed to speak at the "Values Voters Summit" which begins next Thursday, September 17.

Yeah, there is definitely some hipocracy there...

and that is the point

which means there are at least four people I can't take seriously.  First and foremost, I take myself too seriously.  Second and third are Prejean and Hilton and a very close fourth, this M.C. guy:

'"when I look at Prejean's bikini strut, I'm not thinking about marital purity but when she talks, that's what I hear.  I think we're supposed to walk the talk." [whchw] I don't think that's the point.  The point is that the question was unfair and unnecessarily divisive. Prejean gave her opinion fairly articulately and was punished for not being PC-enough for Perez Hilton or the other judges.  Hilton then responded by showing his true colors, viciously insulting Prejean for her views and convictions.- Matthew Cochrane'

but I left out the best quote of all, "Here’s hoping she does not wait too long to take up politics like she hinted she might in her interview with Cavuto."  April 25, 2009, Matthew Cochrane

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS160154+14-Sep-2009+PRN20090914

it's never ending

Miami Herald "The conference will continue today with an appearance by former Miss California Carrie Prejean. Pageant organizers say she was fired for not making scheduled appearances, but Prejean maintains she lost her title because she spoke out against same-sex marriage."

I guess there won't be a lot of movement on this topic til the court determines if she was not making appearances.  Isn't this determination the sort of thing the press would figure out instead of reporting only?

what is "off the record" and what else gets said there?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/15/obama-calls-kanye-west-jackass/

or maybe where is "off the record"

http://www.opposingviews.com/articles/opinion-religious-right-in-2009-is-less-pious-more-partisan-r-1253038721

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS165158+16-Sep-2009+PRN20090916

this alignment is what I call off message for evangelicals but they are also giving sermons on why health care is not Biblical

The annual conference promotes the right wing conservative movement, and Carrie, who has become an anti-gay marriage advocate, was a big draw yet she barely touched on the controversy that's made her famous.  Instead, she talked about growing up a tomboy and the tiara she believes awaits her in the after-life.

She specifically didn't mention that she's suing the Miss California USA pageant for taking her earthly crown away.

These omissions will continue to haunt Prejean, but I gather that's alright with the narrow minded thinkers on this site

'"when I look at Prejean's bikini strut, I'm not thinking about marital purity but when she talks, that's what I hear.  I think we're supposed to walk the talk." [whchw] I don't think that's the point.  The point is that the question was unfair and unnecessarily divisive. Prejean gave her opinion fairly articulately and was punished for not being PC-enough for Perez Hilton or the other judges.  Hilton then responded by showing his true colors, viciously insulting Prejean for her views and convictions.- Matthew Cochrane'

"God had a plan for me that day" that she lost the beauty contest because "he knew I was strong enough to get through all the junk that I’ve been through." Added Prejean, who is releasing a book in November: "I was a woman who stood up for the truth and people don’t want to admit that. I had the courage and the bravery that a lot of people don’t have."

Sounds like Lily Tomlin's Edith Ann, "And that's the truth <raspberry>."

I'm trying to think of stonewalling similar to that by media for ACORC by conservatives to protect some right wing....Carrie Prejean hasn't ever been completely questioned by the right wing media

I guess Perez meant to say bewitch

From Falls Church, VA's local paper:

"The highlight was jilted former Miss California, Carrie Prejean, starting a brand new religion – "MEvangelical Christianity." In her...self-centered, narcissistic speech, she cast herself as a martyr on a mission..."

valid observations from pride source.com

'"I always thought of pageants as doing better for the world," she says. She saw Miss America winners as "women who were going to go out there and save the world."

You know, like Jesus in a bikini.

"typically winners are people who can articulate a coherent thought."'

fm Christianity Today coverage of summit:

Beth Dahlman of Faith in Public Life questioned the overlap between the summit and Republican Party politics. She wrote that "While 'values voters' might connote a broad-based coalition, this was by and large an event for Christian Republicans. … I would hope that this level of purely partisan electoral calculus is something both sides would seek to avoid, for our faiths' sake as much as any political outcome."

Underwood is under Prejean for the first time on google's list of Carrie's.

http://therocksandiego.org/eventcalendar/5754/

CP's Rock Church is holding Justice Day on Halloween.  One of CP's inappropriate outfits should keep everybody off balance and off message.

"Sadly, the bar for "political" books gets lower and lower. Rod Blagojevich, who was impeached as governor of Illinois for trying to peddle President Obama's former Senate seat, has a book deal. Carrie Prejean, the beauty queen whose biography includes a publicly expressed opposition to same-sex marriage and a topless photo shoot, is "writing" an autobiography. She's 22 years old. What's next? John Edwards on the secret to a happy marriage?"

CLBPI's Conservative Women Calendar puts CP alongside some much more worthy representatives of the right ender gender. 

What is her book going to be on??? I mean, is it about her whole life or just that one episode? I can't imagine 100+ pages all about that one question.

what I want to hear won't be in there

this ref to darts just strkes me funny from afterelton.com

Yes, each month in 2010 you can gaze adoringly at such bright shining stars as Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Phyllis Schlaffly, the adorably loony Michelle Bachmann, and of course that great defender of "opposite marriage" Carrie Prejean. Act now and we'll send you the official AfterElton gold-plated dart set.

ftr, I'm not sure I go along with the title "Anti-gay Beauty Queen Carrie Prejean"

http://www.shewired.com/Article.cfm?Section=1&ID=23671

Here's a good quote:

"As a Christian, I have had enough of being persecuted by this radical, Marxist, statist, collectivist anti-Christian agenda, so I decided to act on my own to help obtain a small measure of justice for Carrie. Net proceeds will be forwarded to Miss Prejean, or the charity of her choice, upon the completion of the goal, or by December 25th 2009, whichever comes first."

the place to track the appropriateness of role model CP's relationship with Tara Reid's ex boyfriend http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/around-the-horns/around-the-horns/2009/10/former-miss-usa-is-a-rams-fan/

CP needs a new publicist.

Another quote:

"In fact, she appears to simply have switched one crown for another as she currently appears to be Miss Conservative USA"

ah, the most awesome thing about this whole CP thing

http://www.politicalcortex.com/story/2009/10/9/175751/033

Miss America pageant is so waaaayyyyy better than Miss USA (which is why right off the bat I'm biased against CP; can you tell?)

CP hasn't caught much news coverage since the Values Summit.   Her book is due in November but I don't know the release date.  Regnery.com doesn't say anything at all about it.  CP usually does something to stay in the news and she'll want to create pre book sales buzz.  But, I have no idea what she might do....Gays "marched" on DC this weekend and Obama now says he'll get rid of "don't ask don't tell."  How might she capitalize on that?

also, a telling situation is developing in Maine where pro-marriage proponents have not turned to CP to help with their campaign like NOM has nationwide.  Counterproductive maybe?

"So it’s important for us to understand the definition, and to understand what culture is saying, because truth always wins and if people are spewing out false truth there’s a loophole. We need to find the loophole and one of the loopholes is that if someone’s telling you to be tolerant they, by definition, must tolerate you. And if they don’t they’re intolerant; that’s when you need to call them on it. But we don’t, we just cower down, and say, “You can yell at me but I can’t yell at you.” I don’t think that’s fair. That’s not right."

Miles McPherson Senior Pastor, The Rock Church, San Diego, CA

interesting interview at: http://churchexecutive.com/article.asp?IndexID=1288

but Miles has some loopholes in his own logic such as the Bible

here's an uninteresting item of interest:

http://www.mydesert.com/article/20091015/NEWS01/910150310/Miss+California+USA+strips+away+swimsuits

no more swimsuits in Miss Cali/USA pageannt

Tony Bowls eve gowns instead.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/10/14/democrat-congresswoman-bashes-rush-limbaugh-house-floor

Sheila Jackson Lee, Rush Limbaugh and Carrie Prejean

of course, pageants aren't all bad:

http://fashion.rightcelebrity.com/?p=628

twins and a Mom in Washington state

TMZ reports Miss Cali is suing CP for the price of the implants and that they didn't disclose anything that didn't go public when CP did the bikini strut. So many puns in this storyline, it's hard to keep abreast of them all.

btw, the Dutch and French pair up to round out the reporting on this

New York Daily News says K2's countersuit:

accuses Miss Prejean of missing events, lying about semi-nude photos, negotiating an unauthorized book deal and using her title without authorization to help promote the National Organization for Marriage's "campaign of intolerance" against gay marriage.

that semi nude one kills me since Moakler was a centerfold model

so I might have been wrong; Prejean hasn't done anything newsworthy lately, but now she doesn't have to because Miss Cali/K2 is rolling the presses.

Maybe we should have another morality conference with her at the head?

Maybe, but at this point she can wait til her book release

She can wait because even her fellow calendar girl Ann Colter leads with Carrie Prejean's breasts and the nasty bits of Levi Johnston that I didn't care to know:

"The Obama administration has attacked Fox News in order to prevent government corruption stories broken on Fox from bleeding into the other media, which are all-consumed with daily updates on Levi Johnston's Playgirl spread and Carrie Prejean's breast implants."

But Ann goes on to eviscerate Olberman with a rusty bait knife at http://www.theusdaily.com/articles/viewopiarticle.jsp?id=2751&type=Opinion even describing his "douche-baggery."  Man.

But you can never go wrong when you work the word homunculus into your essay.  Cha-ching.  And, she does a nice job explaining the Willie Horton ad.

Now I understand why the Miss Cali organization brought up the implants.  They are reducing CP to mere body parts.  Suprising because they've been fairly adept at making it look like that is not what their pageant has always been about.  Oddly, at the same time they deleted the swimsuit part of their competition.  Somebody tell CP.

From Miss Cali website: “The organization has redefined itself, just as it is redefining the world’s views of the women who attain its exclusive titles and as it is communicating women’s views of their own roles.

The Miss Universe Organization provides the opportunities — the mentoring, career training, resources and life experiences — for women to be personally enriched through the organization’s year-round support of all aspects of their lives, from their own personal career goals to social and humanitarian causes and work.

The titleholders of the Miss Universe Organization personify the combination of beauty and intelligence that defines the 21st century. In keeping with its global view and position as creator of role models, the Miss Universe Organization has a new corporate structure and enhanced corporate goals.”

alestle (blogger): And boob jobs do not personify the beauty and intelligence of the 21st century. It only personifies the perverse notion that T&A are the only assets a woman can have.

Gospelhead: Next month, Prejean is expected to come out with a tell-all book that will reveal “her side of the story.”

Like how she shouldn't have?  I doubt it.

Hyman at the Spectator:

At the cost of denigrating the Office of the President, Obama's chief political strategist attacked a 21-year-old beauty pageant contestant whose public views were out of step with those of Administration allies. Fifty-four year-old David Axelrod appeared on National Public Radio last May and insisted Carrie Prejean was one of three finalists for the Obama family dog. An NPR studio audience showered Axelrod with cheers. Weeks before, Prejean was victimized by a militant homosexual judge who was angered she did not enthusiastically endorse gay marriage during the Miss USA competition.

what CP did in 'strine

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/lifestyle/people/titfortat-lawsuit-20091026-hgo1.html

- c

"In their countersuit, pageant organizers said Prejean had verbally promised to pay them back the $5,200, the New York Post reported." Baltimore Sun

as they say, "not worth the paper it's not written on" but if true is she a woman of her word?

great analogy! keeping her scandal queenhood alive! celeb registry website?! no thanks!

"Consider the source of the most recent attention-getting lies — those who would sell their body for money reflect a desperate need for attention and are likely to say and do anything for even more attention."

Sarah Palin in ref to Carrie Prejean?

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2009/10/29/sex-silicone-and-suits-miss-california-g

So are they saying that the peagant organization will get all of the money from her book?

miss cali wants to; does that make sense?

Not really... I guess I don't understand why she's writing the book if she doesn't stand to at least make a dollar from it? I can understand if the book was maybe some story that "NEEDED" to be told and that would help or save untold thousands of lives...

But that's not the case with this book.

based on the assumptions, good point; but I'll be surpised if she doesn't get the proceeds

makes me wonder what other pageant winner state level or otherwise wrote a book about her experience during her reign and was permission required first and did she share royalties with the pageant? but I'm not feelin the need to research that one

I did actually try to track down her interview coach and find out how she was prepped but that one didn't get anywhere

There is a strong feeling that gay and Black struggles are synonymous so maybe I understand the Perez comment better.  How would we have reacted if CP had said, "No offensive, but Blacks should not be given equal opportunity.  That's just the way I was raised."  And, then, if she had shown Bible verses to support her position as well.  A good reason why fundamentalists need to really think things through before they take political positions and dilute their mesage.  Tough concept.

"I happen to think both that Maggie Gallagher and Carrie Prejean are big ****, AND I think that as gay men we probably should recognize that those highly charged words should probably be used less."

http://www.towleroad.com/2009/10/who-doesnt-know-the-word-faggot-is-offensive.html

Todd, if you want to review this book by the end of Nov, I'll reimburse you in Dec.

delusional (2) egotism (2) misguided (2) self aggrandizing (2) undereducated (2) beautiful girl beautiful story (1) hyperbole (1) inspirational (1) self entitled (1) spoiled brat (1)

amazon's top 10 tags for CP's book

I'm not sure any of those words fit.

C, Ugh... I'm going to have to think about that one for a while... I don't know how an entire book could be focused around a 5 minute Q / A session on TV from a gay judge...

it probably won't be about the taco tango

Shame on you Larry King!

Keith Lewis, Miss California USA president, spoke out about Prejean, saying: "The public is finally getting a glimpse of the real Carrie Prejean. ... The childish behavior, her negative attitude, the sarcasm and condescending tone, the disrespect and continual lying she is demonstrating now is only a fraction of what we endured during her reign and after."

"when I look at Prejean's bikini strut, I'm not thinking about marital purity but when she talks, that's what I hear.  I think we're supposed to walk the talk." [whchw] I don't think that's the point.  The point is that the question was unfair and unnecessarily divisive. Prejean gave her opinion fairly articulately and was punished for not being PC-enough for Perez Hilton or the other judges.  Hilton then responded by showing his true colors, viciously insulting Prejean for her views and convictions.- Matthew Cochrane'

Cochrane, busted again.

C, Prejan was on Hannity a couple of nights ago... They were talking about her book. I wasn't really paying attention, but I didn't realize she was only 22. She seems a LOT older.

Cochrane's a lot older than that but he still fell for her.

far right fundamentalist christian conservatives really need to learn from this sort of nonsense.  Putting one's faith in an immodest, inarticulate, conflicted tight rope walking exhibitionist for one thing is dubious.  Nobody is really perfect enough to deny other's perceived rights unless the vast majority opposes it.  When there are thin majorities like prop 8 and other places, we'll get in binds like this one with Prejean because people don't know how to be principled

another point about the whole CP thing; women in porn and similar work like erotic dancing, etc is probably much more harmful than gay marriage and CP certainly adds a bit of credibility to that way of thinking that it's okay to model lingerie, etc.  Studies have shown some similarities between mysogyny and homophobia so it's not too suprising I guess when a Cochrane says what he says.

McCain is stooopid...!!!

yep, that's why you got Obama

a well balanced article on CP finally.  It's at spero news.  What's spero news I wondered.  The jollyblogger explains back in 2005: http://jollyblogger.typepad.com/jollyblogger/2005/04/spero_news.html

Here's one of Rebecca Hagelin's points at spero news:

Unable to yet see the disconnect between her desire to be a "Victoria's Secret Angel" and the biblical morality she professes, Carrie is painfully discovering truth as she goes. Eager to support a young woman so viciously attacked, many supporters also missed the disparity between the sexy image Carrie loves to be and the virtuous woman she seems to want to become. As Carrie matures and becomes more sensitive to which behaviors reflect her faith and which ones tarnish it, she is learning the difference under glaring lights, scowling faces and an unforgiving media.

You sure manage to keep this thread alive "C".

You should check out some of the other threads we have... they're pretty decent.

Todd, I've looked at the other threads.  The only reason I keep this thread going is because of Cochrane's narrow minded "the point is" reply shown below and because I knew a Miss USA could not succeed in a role like this, but neither can anybody else. 

"when I look at Prejean's bikini strut, I'm not thinking about marital purity but when she talks, that's what I hear.  I think we're supposed to walk the talk." [whchw] I don't think that's the point.  The point is that the question was unfair and unnecessarily divisive. Prejean gave her opinion fairly articulately and was punished for not being PC-enough for Perez Hilton or the other judges.  Hilton then responded by showing his true colors, viciously insulting Prejean for her views and convictions.- Matthew Cochrane

But the sadder point is made again by Hagelin: Today's young women are so immersed in a sexual media culture that they don't see the tragic consequences that come when they confuse Hollywood's lies with real life. In fact, national surveys reveal that some 20 percent of teenagers have sent nude or semi-nude photos or videos over their cell phones. The personal pages of MySpace and Facebook are filled with images of young girls and guys in compromising situations. Young women, in particular, think that the sexier their sites, the better. Why on earth are they eager to post x-rated images? Three reasons: 1) They are simply copying the explicit media they see all around them, 2) They have no sense of personal modesty or decency, 3) They mistakenly view their sites and communications as personal diaries, of sorts.

hagelin also says "Carrie Prejean is still young enough to recover from her deep wounds - both the self-inflicted ones and those caused by her hateful enemies. My prayer is that she will remain courageous, and will be humble and wise enough to use her mistakes to help awaken her generation to the pernicious lies of the pop culture. I also pray that God will send Carrie a mentor who truly cares for her and can help her grow"

and finally, she says, "

As Carrie Prejean continues to suffer, "grow up", fall and stand back up in front of the entire world, parents should discuss with our own children the many truths that Carrie's drama reveals. Among them: 1) If you dare to challenge what is "politically correct", you will become a target. 2) In today's high-tech world, "Be sure, your sins will find you out." 3) If your life is marked by modesty, honesty, and decency, your enemies' attacks will be far less effective."

Let's review.

First whchw (aka "c") stated:

""when I look at Prejean's bikini strut, I'm not thinking about marital purity but when she talks, that's what I hear.  I think we're supposed to walk the talk."

I responded:

"I don't think that's the point.  The point is that the question was unfair and unnecessarily divisive. Prejean gave her opinion fairly articulately and was punished for not being PC-enough for Perez Hilton or the other judges.  Hilton then responded by showing his true colors, viciously insulting Prejean for her views and convictions."

C followed that comment up with about 100 or so comments over six months sharing every single trivial tidbit of news over Carrie Prejean.  He believed these news items proved I was "narrow minded," would make my sarcasm towards Perez Hilton "haunt" me, and, I think, implied that I was misogynistic and homophobic (though it's hard to tell since c's comments are often disjointed and hard to understand).

To all this I have only one response: I am completely and utterly blown away. I mean, wow! I can't believe anyone is still following this story.  By my count there have been about 682 stories more important than this one since April.  I have tried to write about  a lot of these on the blog. But, since these comments have secured this post a place on our site's "Most Popular" list for a long time, I feel obliged to respond at least once. 

First, I still stand by my comments.  Completely.  Many seem to care that Carrie modeled risque Halloween costumes and lingerie. I don't. 

Many seem to care that pagenat officials have called Carrie a prima donna. I don't.  I mean, let's get serious: 1) Like it was such a big shock pageant officials started bashing her.  It was probably the most predictable public attack since Jennifer Aniston lashed out at Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie; 2) Does anybody really think any of the contestants at a beauty pageant are not prima donnas, at least to some extent??? Really? 

And, finally, many seem to care that Prejean made private masturbation tapes when she was younger.  As far as the scope of this post is concerned, I don't.

Allow me to explain.  Why should it matter if a private citizen wants to model lingerie, make private tapes or act uppity and/or snobbish.  Why should any of these legal actions preclude someone from holding a certain opinion.  Prejean is not perfect, not by a long shot.  But neither am I.  And I do not see why she should be bashed/discriminated against/criticized because she believes same-sex marriage is wrong.  Bottom line: Prejean did not win the Miss USA title because she holds the same values as the vast majority of Americans, that marriage should be between one man and one woman.

C makes another baffling point in his nonsensical and legalistic ramblings:

"another point about the whole CP thing; women in porn and similar work like erotic dancing, etc is probably much more harmful than gay marriage and CP certainly adds a bit of credibility to that way of thinking that it's okay to model lingerie, etc."

First, making the comparison between porn/erotic danicing and modeling lingerie is quite a leap! I don't even consider the two different professions as being in the same ballpark!  Second, I have no idea how one could even begin to calculate or quantify such a statement. Third, even if this ridiculous premise was true, does that mean lingerie models can't believe in traditional marriage?  No!

So many seem to revel in each new shortcoming or mistake that is revealed about Prejean's past.  I do not; I think it's sad. Prejean was attacked for bravely standing up for what she believed in - and she should be applauded.  I never figured she was perfect.  None of us are.  I hope she finds her way, learns from past mistakes, and proves her critics wrong. 

And I hope a meteor falls on Perez Hilton's head.

Basically, I agree with Sarah Palin:

Palin is firmly on the side of Carrie Prejean, the former Miss California who infuriated the Left by saying she opposed gay marriage, and has been embroiled in a sex-tape controversy during her book tour. “I think she’s had unfair treatment,” says Palin. “I think had she not spoken her mind and heart on stage in that pageant — where she spoke candidly and truthfully — then she would not have been clobbered by the press.”

“The double standard applied to Carrie is atrocious. It’s also quite indicative of the state of the mainstream media today, which I’m not impressed with.”

There you go Todd, the narrow minded response:

c's comments are often disjointed and hard to understand

I still stand by my comments.  Completely

Why should it matter...

C makes another baffling point in his nonsensical and legalistic ramblings:

And I hope a meteor falls on Perez Hilton's head.

- Matthew Cochrane

Honestly, I totally support Carrie for standing up for what she believs in. We are made up of our convictions... that's who we are. Whether or not it's hypocritical is another effect, but at the very least, she answered the question truthfully with what she believed in.... rather than making up something on the spot to appease the judges (which politicians are notorious for doing). 

On the other hand, it is rather hypocritical to claim morality, but then do things which are clearly not. She still is VERY young... 22 years old... you're just a kid! We all do things that are ridiculous and immature, but that's part of being immature. As we get older, our personality can change, our values can change...

Honestly, I had no idea about the tapes. I have to say a quick prayer in my head and remind myself that I'm married.

Next statement.... I don't want a meteor to fall on anyone's head, or to fall on the Earth as it is. Way too many close calls.

This thread definitely has the most posts... I hate to see your talent spent just in this thread though.

Todd, I think I've made my point, but there'll probably be some future post worth making depending on the mood and the moment, but thanks for listening.

It's much more than just one masturbation tape

There are 30 nude photos and eight sex tapes of former Miss California Carrie Prejean, RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/exclusive-30-nude-photos-8-sex-tapes-carrie-prejean-surface

Also, I got here because I thought it was a Carrie Prejan site.  Turns out it's just a bunch of retards.  Won't be coming back so don't bother to respond.

peace.

definitely but we usually spell Prejean right two out of three times

at US News and World Report

Prejean and the Christian Right

the survey at US News:

Should Christian groups that embraced Carrie Prejean for her stance on marriage renounce her appearances in racy photos and obscene videotapes?

"Sad" is pretty much how talk-show host and columnist Michael Coren – who falls on the conservative and Christian side of things himself – views the Prejean situation, too. Sad and "embarrassing and pathetic," to be exact.

Prejean's sudden elevation to right-wing poster child was ridiculous to begin with, he says, as it started with "a woman standing in her underwear, speaking about the moral acceptability of gay marriage." Although to be fair, he adds, Prejean handled herself quite respectably when Hilton first asked her if she supported gay marriage.

"That question has no place in a beauty pageant. Beauty pageants are, by nature, absurd," says Coren. "But she was asked the question and she gave an honest and courteous and appropriate answer. It should have stopped there...

"At that point, she did have massive sympathy because she wasn't rude. She didn't say `I hate gay people.' She just said `This is my view.' At that point, she should have said `That's it, I'm not political – I'm a model, I'm in a beauty contest' and not done any more. But instead, she wanted to become a hero."

There's nothing necessarily wrong with craving the spotlight, says Coren, but "if you're going to have a moral position you'd better be consistent and not an absolute hypocrite."

Suss: Carrie Prejean, the former Miss California, is now dating St. Louis Rams backup quarterback Kyle Boller. When asked about it, Rams coach Steve Spagnuolo said, "Well, that explains why he's been hitting the film room more than anyone else on our team." (Suss of Suss and Tuffy)

too much valley speak to be authentic maybe but generally sounds credible:

The air was cleared, King apologized saying his producers didn't warn him of the no-calls rules, and King got to the new matter at hand: Prejean's future.

The following is an excerpt from that portion of the conversation:
 

King: What are you going to do next?

Prejean: Oh, my gosh. I'm just so excited to be, you know, promoting this book. I'm so excited to be an author now. It's really great that -- I'm 22 years old, and I think that I've accomplished so much. And I think that there is definitely a message out there to spread to young women and that is, you know, never do anything that you wouldn't want your biggest fans to see or, you know, never do anything that, heaven forbid, your dad would see.

So I think that there's definitely a message out there to spread to young women, to just be careful of what they do. And you can definitely learn from my mistakes.

King: So you have some regrets?

Prejean: Excuse me?

King: You have some regrets?

Prejean: Well, obviously the choices I made when I was a teenager, you know, that doesn't reflect who I am today. So yes, there were mistakes in my life. And no one's perfect. And I'm definitely owning up to those mistakes. As far as the pageant goes, no, I have no regrets.

Does Larry? We've asked him for a comment. We'll report if he appropriately gets back to us.

[Updated at 12:21 p.m.: King doesn't want to comment, but he tweeted a link to his interview, so it doesn't seem he's got any remorse. On that note, King's spokesperson points out that the reason King was so confused when Prejean yet again accused him of being "inappropriate" for taking calls from viewers -- which he does every night -- is that there were no preconditions to the interview. Prejean was making that up, King's spokesperson said. And now it seems Prejean has been caught in another fib by TMZ.]

-- Maria Elena Fernandez

fitsnews, sarcastically:

insincere sanctimoniousness is incredibly sexy in our book

and:

her multiple sex tapes (all self-spelunkular, it turns out). 

holy moly.....Gloria gets it

http://www.examiner.com/x-12837-US-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m11d29-Gloria-Allred-sends-open-letter-to-Carrie-Prejean-regarding-sexting-video

How is sexting considered illegal? Not that I've ever done it, but if it's being done by two consenting adults (18+) how is it considered child pornography? Maybe I missed something, was it being done by Prejean before she was an adult???

It is definitely NOT child pornography. Did Gloria Alfred also send letters to Carrie's ex boyfriend who sold the videos, TMZ for obtaining and viewing them and the Pageant officials who also obtained them and have viewed them? This would all have been a private matter between two dumb 17 year olds if not for these people. Seems to me Ms. Alfred is just another Palinizer.

Todd, she says she was 17.  Boyfriend says she was 20.  So she self incriminated.  He didn't.  Regardless, I don't think obtaining and viewing by a journalist or as part of a court suit meets the criteria.  TMZ probably didn't post it for that reason but if it's as graphic as reported, I can see why they wouldn't post it anyway.  Allred Stephen C.  Allred.

typo

typos my friend

since CP is getting squeezed out by the news about Tiger's Wood and she's being reduced to being an equally bad example of how to be truthful and confess at the national level, isn't he catching more flak than Letterman or Edwards...?  Is it the old black man, white woman story line?  And since faux marriage is compared to an interracial marriage ruling in Virginia, is the story about Woods' putter anti-gay?

the huckabee link is busted so I guess I'll post here about someone that's busted: Tiger.

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2009/12/04/Tiger/

I didn't know Tiger's endorsements were based on his squeaky clean image.  Is that true?

the NCT link is busted too

back to hypocrisy

so the media, partly being the press which is free, is above the charges of hypocrisy? has a newspaper ever gone under due to reduced readership because of hypocrisy?

so if you are a young Tiger Woods, don't ever pretend to be virtuous or the first chance they get, they'll take you down....so it's okay to be virtuous, just don't tell anyone you are?

Yes, the Rockey Mountain News...

Although... they won't admit that that's the reason...

I can't verify that.

Not that I don't accept it, but it doesn't seem that the press/media gets held to the same standard as the rest of us.  But Foxnews slings mud at MSNBC and the NYT and vice versa all the time.  That mud slinging doesn't seem to matter though.  In fact, if anything, it might help viewership/readership for the competition.

So that means that the press wants us to "Just think of me like well, uh...God"  the Great Santini

btw, Todd, does the Baucus news reset the counter?

the trend continues, the newest victoria's secret angel says she is a christian and the Bible is her favorite book and she's well grounded and a good girl. (fox and friends) but they didn't ask her about gay marriage....yet

I don't think the Baucus news resets the counter. He technically was divorced when he started dating the other girl... or so he says. We have to take his word for it unless he confesses to something or is found guilty of something that reveals a sexual misconduct.

I think you posted this in another thread and I replied that I'll accept your position on not resetting because the news article I read was so hard to follow it gave me a headache but thanks for replying

I figured I'd add the reply where the reply was due...

Rob Bell in Sept 09 on "what does being an evangelical mean to you?"

"I take issue with the word to a certain degree, so I make a distinction between a capital E and a small e. I was in the Caribbean in 2004, watching the election returns with a group of friends, and when Fox News, in a state of delirious joy, announced that evangelicals had helped sway the election, I realized this word has really been hijacked. I find the word troubling, because it has come in America to mean politically to the right, almost, at times, anti-intellectual. For many, the word has nothing to do with a spiritual context."

btw, since CP hasn't been newsworthy for quite a while now, I'll just say she looked her best at the May 12 news conference with the Donald

Prejean was mentioned in court today.  The testimony from the Prop 8 trial should prove very enlightening:

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_14179875?source=most_viewed

here you go CP fans:

http://www.techbanyan.com/8315/carrie-prejean-kyle-boller-beach-photos/

Good ol' CP's got herself in the news again acting appropriately inappropriate with her conscience.

on second thought she's without conscience

You know "C", I think we may very well have the most comprehensive list of CP activity leading up to "the moment" and afterwards.

By the way, there's another new blog "in the series" of TLM, C21, NCT, etc... it's called PETACAR. It's a gag website, but feel free to go nuts. It's a format that I'm sure you're familiar with!

http://www.PetaCar.org

Yes, Todd, I don't understand why this site doesn't show up when you search on Prejean.

Chargers and Prop 8: two California losers

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/s_662457.html

to models in the know, this is what a properly fitted, ie slip proof top, looks like

C, do you think Perez Hilton has what it takes to replace Simon Cowell on American Idol?

probably not; as annoying as Cowell is, the man really knows talent and to some degree what Americans want from a singer/performer

Hilton would just be controversial I suspect

Kind of like making Rush a sportscaster?

even RUsh is more popular than Hilton, but I definitely would not want to see Hilton putting Maddenesque scribbles on the TV screen

Agreed.  How lame would American Idol be with Perez Hilton sitting next to Ellen Degeneres?  Though I suspect a lot of people will just stop watching when Cowell leaves regardless who takes his place since the show just won't be the same without him.

"If a bridesmaid catches the bouquet, Prejean will have a higher passer efficiency rating than her husband." Omaha World Herald

Celebrity 101 How to be Newsworthy

Unofficially, Preajean and Bohler are shackin' up.  She's probably in a hurry to get pregnant so she'll be in the news again before the wedding.  I almost predicted it but I didn't think she'd really move in with the dude.

My parents were NOT pleased when I moved in with my wife... well... at the time, she was just my girlfriend. We weren't even engaged! But we had every intention of getting married, and it was just one of those things we had to do... she wanted to get out of her Condo, I didn't want to live in a Condo and ddin't want to continue renting an apartment, so we bought a house together. I proposed 2 months later, and then got married a year later...

But yeah, the parents... not happy...

I bet you weren't telling people what the Bible says about stuff...

Well, no... but I usually don't. Doesn't mean I didn't realize what I was doing was lame... but my intentions had never changed since the beginning. It was just one of those things. As far as I was concerned, the only thing NOT making is married at the time is that I hadn't actually asked her yet!!! hahah.... but we both knew... we were already talking about it and she was leaving hints like pictures of wedding rings on the kitchen table and stuff...

Sounds like you met a good woman.  I have many things in my past I had to stop denying -- things involving being wronged and doing wrong.  Learning the truth lead to freedom and healing.

Yeah, she's pretty awesome. She's pretty confident though that she's right all the time... but I guess that goes with the territory... hahah...

I still wouldn't want my children to move in with someone without being married first. For us, we had already made the commitment, it was just a matter of timing and money...

People are SOOO going to think I'm a RINO now...

better than a CHINO

the hard to swallow innuendo: http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MzllZTI3Njg2YjZhZjk1YzYyNmQyOTBmMGU5MTc0YWU=

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Beck a buffoon, Hannity too much time on Prejean, and the media is incompetent, fox is too liberal http://www.webcommentary.com/php/ShowArticle.php?id=gaynorm&date=100311 (interesting commentary by M. J. Gaynor, but Laura, Malkin and Levin would be ratings suicide)

Glenn Beck is an egotistical buffoon who doesn't realize how much he doesn't know. He says many of the right things, but even tells little lies to make himself look better. Example: he said he had invited the ACORN 8 on his show, but only two had come because of scheduling problems. The truth, as set forth in an email by his producer, was that his show wouldn't pay to bring in all of them. (Beck wanted to show his audience that he wasn't afraid of black people, as ACORN national spokesman Scott Levenson had charged, but not enough to pay the cost of flying the other six to New York.) His recent radio interview of Michelle Malkin revealed plenty: he's a jerk and she really can be very gentle with a jerk without compromising her views. http://hotair.com/archives/2010/03/09/video-beck-michelle-malkin-go-toe-to-toe-over-massa-interview/

Sean Hannity isn't an empty suit. He looks like an impressive spokesperson and speaks well. But his intellect and knowledge don't match his glibness and looks and he doesn't dig enough and follow through. Example: Too much time on the Carrie Prejean story, too little exposing critically important facts about Obama. Example: Hannity had Rev. Wright on his tv show in March 2007 and could have undone the Obama campaign then if he had Rev. Wright's video then...and it was for sale in the Trinity Church bookstore. When Hannity used it a year later, it was great television, but too late to stop Obama.

I got curious about what Malkin may have said about CP.  so far I've only seen negs about Hilton and no real comment on CP.  So much more brilliant than:

and

I still stand by my comments.  Completely.

But I've seen worse from the MC in the discussions found here supposedly about  the Constitution.

this thread is awesome

CP is still working it.  Now her engagement party is newsy.  I don't remember legit celebs getting that kind of coverage.  If she isn't a publicity hog, her wedding would be undisclosed.  Figure those odds.

Good stuff, c.  Keep it coming.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/03/18/miley-cyrus-received-hate-mail-over-gay-marriage-remarks/

consequences of being a CP lover

Comment 215!

Thanks, TLM.  CP's always doing her best to reward her deluded faithful such as MC who still won't admit his error:

http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/03/26/25935.htm

she stiffed her support system even

http://www.accesshollywood.com/attorney-larry-king-and-wife-did-not-have-prenup_article_31240

back to the larry king show

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2898524/what_do_melissa_etheridge_mel_gibson.html

Larry Ross communications took on mission impossible when they agreed to help Carrie Prejean project a "Biblically correct" image. How can you possibly make a beauty queen with a penchant for disrobing in front of cameras and making sex tapes appear to be a virtuous and chaste woman?

http://thesop.org/story/entertainment/2010/04/20/born-again-carrie-prejean-sued-by-christian-pr-firm.php

there's some of that common sense so uncommon to mcon21run

http://www.courant.com/entertainment/celebrity/java/hc-perez-hilton-java.artapr23,0,2841375.story

the mcD's of the internet

Valerie Hayes' on the all important interview:

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http://www.sdentertainer.com/news/usa-2010-contestants-racy-photos/

CP would have had no problem posing for pix like this year's promo pix

Prejean and Boller....married

Prejean's entire rise to stardom has been documented here for all eternity. From he famed comment to Perez Hilton, to the epic finale with marriage.

divorce will be next

and then.....

but until then, here's an article only slightly off topic

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=182441

#227 with a flux!

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